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Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Are Finding Their Rhythm and Enjoying Success
“Nobody can fill Rush’s shoes, but Clay took one shoe, and I took the other.”
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Rush Limbaugh was diagnosed with advanced lung cancer in February 2020, but it wasn’t until the broadcasting giant died a year later that Premiere Networks had to finally act on the immeasurable void in the industry and, specifically, its midday slot.
Rush’s program continued on with “Best of” shows, but behind-the-scenes plans were taking hold for Limbaugh’s successor.
In May, Premiere announced Clay Travis and Buck Sexton would join forces to co-host the 12p-3p ET slot. Their program debuted on Monday June 21st.
“Nobody can fill Rush’s shoes,” Sexton told BNM. “But Clay took one shoe, and I took the other.”
“You’re stepping into the role of a legend,” added Travis during a separate interview with BNM. “Simultaneously, you can’t be held hostage by the past.”
Sexton was already entrenched in conservative media, filling in for Limbaugh many times during the last decade. Travis, though, was hosting morning drive on Fox Sports Radio, and growing his presence with OutKick, and FS1.
“It hasn’t been that hard for me because so much of sports became political,” Travis said. “There was a decent amount of political analysis over the past several years. The storylines [and] the issues have not changed.”
Having a built-in audience helped, but Clay and Buck exceeded their own expectations, tops in several markets including Houston, Phoenix, San Diego, Salt Lake City, Memphis and Sacramento (Limbaugh’s former flagship KFBK).
“To be number one is pretty wild,” Travis admitted. “We set a new podcast record [and] one of the two or three biggest in all of iHeart.”
Although the hosts are bringing new blood to the show–Travis is 42, Sexton is 39–they have a strong work ethic and fresh approach to keeping the three-hour block entertaining and informative for listeners.
“I think it speaks to how important the issues that [Limbaugh] talked about were and how committed the audience is to Rush’s world view,” Travis said.
“In some level the pressure’s off, at least in our minds, because Rush was so widely renowned, not just the most talented in the format, but someone who really built the format in many ways,” Sexton added.
Despite being a Limbaugh relief host on numerous occasions, Sexton acknowledged he never met or spoke to Rush. The Limbaugh influence on Sexton came as millions of others listened to the radio titan.
No Training Wheels
While “Clay and Buck” may have their own take on the issues important to the majority of the audience, the Limbaugh lineage is present with his former staff staying behind to forge a future with Travis and Sexton.
“It’s an incredible honor to his legacy,” shared Travis.
It was Julie Talbott, president of Premiere Networks, who had the foresight to team Sexton and Travis on the 400+ stations.
“We had our own solo shows, so there were probably thousands of hours of us out there. Julie managed us and was both of our bosses,” Travis said. “There were no training wheels here.”
“Clay is a great talent, a true professional [and] a super smart guy,” Sexton said of his co-host. “We’re both sort of put in this position…We’re both going to make it happen.”
Both hosts are proud of the show’s performance over the opening six months.
“I think we’re doing one of the best radio shows that exists anywhere in the country,” Travis said.
While it was direct ascent to the coveted show for Sexton, Travis had to switch formats to make it work. However, regardless of the format or topic, once you are consciously aware of what you are trying to be, “I think that filters into your own authenticity,” said Travis.
The OutKick founder places Limbaugh and Howard Stern as the greatest of the generation, who “consistently educate and entertain their audience in a way that’s better than almost anybody out there.
While Sexton and Travis may have come from different avenues, each enjoying success as solo performers, it’s their connection as a team that’s made the difference.
“It certainly takes a bit of a change of pace,” said Sexton. “You have to get used to the rhythms of having a co-host.”
Since Sexton and Travis have found their best way to format the lunchtime show, listeners will be without the dramatics. There’s no fist-pounding or screaming for controversies.
“We’re both providing different insights, but also a more conversational and relaxed feel,” shared Sexton. “We really want everyone listening to the show to feel like they’re the third person sitting at the table.”
The tandem also has other projects keeping them busy. Travis remains heavily involved with OutKick, the brand he founded, which produces a mixture of sports, news, gambling, and pop culture content. Sexton meanwhile remains connected to television, hosting a daily one-hour show on The First, a conservative digital network.
“It’s good to keep those TV skills sharp and have that opportunity to reach additional audiences beyond the radio show,” Sexton said.
The duo has not shied away from topics that hit nerves and resonate with most, especially the pandemic and mask mandates. Sexton, a former CIA analyst who spent time as a consultant for CNN, was quick to criticize his former employer and its recent decision to fire Chris Cuomo.
“I do not believe CNN is running a journalistic enterprise. I think CNN is running a propaganda enterprise under the guise of journalism. That means that their ethics, such as they are, are highly dependent on situations that benefit them,” explained Sexton. “So they’re very ethically flexible, I think we could say. The fact that CNN didn’t take action against Cuomo earlier on isn’t surprising to me at all. Eventually, it just became too embarrassing for them.”
Some have suggested, given the sexual harassment allegations that, in part, led to Cuomo’s demise, the cable outlet should hire a woman for that prime-time hour.
“It’s not that they need a woman in that time slot; their problem is: What is CNN?” Sexton contends. “Is this an objective news network? Jake Tapper presents himself as an objective journalist. To anyone who knows his work and certainly how he also operates behind the scenes—that’s fraudulent. That’s just dishonest.”
Great Relationship
To make the most effective radio, the hosts drill down on the issues together to find the most pressing area for focus. Sexton’s CIA background has provided great training for navigating the broadcasting business.
“Taking in a tremendous amount of information and figuring out what makes sense, what makes a difference, what matters, that in many ways is the quintessential prep skill for a radio host” said Sexton.
Travis on the other hand started practicing law, after graduating from Vanderbilt University. He then ventured into writing, and local radio before arriving on the national circuit.
Though they go out of their way to bring facts to the forefront and see many things in a similar light, Clay and Buck do share a few differences.
“We don’t agree on everything,” Sexton cautioned. “Clay is a converted Conservative. I’m a Conservative since I was probably 15 years old.”
Whether they agree on taking calls or not is a different issue. The show hasn’t done a lot of it, although they are in constant communication with the audience thru social media and make it a point to share messages on the show.
“We want Liberals to listen. We want Democrats to listen, people that disagree with us strongly, we’d rather they hear our version of why Conservatism is correct on a certain issue or why maybe we’re a little ambivalent or some things than what they might get elsewhere,” Sexton said.
The show itself is put together remotely. Sexton is based in Manhattan, Travis is in Nashville. Though that could create challenges for some, both say it hasn’t interfered with the on-air product.
“The technology is such that I don’t think anybody out there listening can even tell,” Travis added, although they are upfront with the audience about it. “Frankly, it’s basically the same, to me, seamlessness, whether we’re in the same studio [or not]. It doesn’t really seem to impact the flow of the show.”
“I think it actually adds to the show and creates a really interesting dynamic,” Sexton said. “I can see Clay in real time very clearly. We’re staring at each other’s faces on pretty large screens.”
Wherever they crack the mic, the duo in short order has built a good working relationship.
“I don’t know exactly what the phrase would be, but we talk for three hours every day, and the vast majority of it is public,” said Travis. “We’re constantly texting and sharing stories, interacting, basically all day, so, we have a great relationship.”
Sexton echoed a similar sentiment, pointing out that the two hosts share a strong work ethic.
“I will do the absolute maximum workload that I can to create the most successful shows and put out the best content I can,” Sexton said. “Clay Travis is an absolute machine as well. I’ve found that [he’s] one of the only people in the entire media industry that I’ve come across who puts in the hours, the effort and energy that I do.”
Jerry Barmash has been a fixture in New York radio for decades with anchor stints on WABC Radio and Bloomberg News. Jerry was also heard on WINS, WCBS and Wall Street Journal Radio. As a media writer, Jerry’s pieces were featured in Broadcasting & Cable, NY Daily News and Watercooler HQ. Jerry also hosts the interview podcast Here Now the News. He’s on Twitter @JerryBarmash and can be reached at [email protected].
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A Message to News/Talk Radio Professionals: Go to the Sales Meeting
Having open lines of communication with sales can only help.
Published
20 hours agoon
April 17, 2024It isn’t often that you can make a news/talk radio analogy by using a popular movie, but here we go. In the Judd Apatow classic, Knocked Up, Katherine Heigl’s character goes into labor, and Jay Baruchel’s character walks in to see how things are going. Well, the scene is absolutely chaotic, and after blood-curdling screams from Heigl for him to get out, he scrambles out of the room.
Rattled, Baruchel’s character returns to the waiting room, saying, “I shouldn’t have gone in there. Don’t go in there.
“Promise me you won’t go in there.”
Kinda like your experience going to a sales meeting?
Funny, right?
In media, it’s always seemed to be a cliché thing: On-air talent doesn’t quite get sales, and sales doesn’t quite get the on-air side.
On-air folks, almost to a person, can never understand why everything isn’t sold all the time.
“This is such a good segment, it should be so easy to sponsor.”
“Sports, everybody sponsors sports.”
“We should get (Insert local business) to sponsor us. They’re a perfect fit. I don’t get it.”
Guilty as charged on at least two of those exact statements.
After breaking down the wall this week and going to a sales meeting, I am here to urge everyone in production or on the air — go to a meeting.
It will do a few things. First, it will confirm that you belong right where you are. It also will confirm that the sales job is far from an easy job.
The reason for my visit was to update the crew on what we were up to, and then, the head of the station group presented us with a refresh of all the sales material.
I recommend you give it a try.
In all seriousness, having open lines of communication with sales can only help. Back when I was an actual journalist, I would refuse this kind of contact, as if it would somehow jeopardize my integrity.
Now?
Well, clearly, that’s been out the door for quite some time. Oh yeah, be serious. It’s obvious that in order to what I call “survive with the chance to thrive”, we need to work together.
They succeed, we stay on the air doing the most fun job we’ve ever had.
A few things will humble you from the experience, while the language of discourse will absolutely confound you.
Here’s how, starting with humble.
I am notorious for taking certain things personally. You can rip me, rip the show, even make fun of my hair! No problem. But if you don’t call me back? After a second call? That’s personal.
I may write you off forever.
It’s a blind spot, I know … but it’s pretty true. I’ve grown to the point where I can overcome it, especially if the person eventually calls me back, yet it really irks me to the core when people can’t return a call.
In the sales meeting, I expressed some frustration over not being able to contact a potential guest, and one sales rep came back with (paraphrase): “It can take 17 calls to make a connection.”
17? 17!
If you doubt it, all I will say is that the collective response to that statement felt like “Praise Be!”
I could never eat that kind of humble pie.
Then, there was the language, oh, the language. Not F-Bombs but acronyms. For everything.
NTR. CNA. KPI. DOMO. IQP. DJT. Ok, DJT is Donald J. Trump, but the rest are real, I promise.
I was the only person there who had no idea what was being said. It was dizzying.
After all the lingo and humble pie that needed to be eaten to sell stuff, I realized how positive the whole thing was for both sides.
I got the chance to talk to the crew beyond the flippant “Hello” while walking past their offices. I also learned how they felt about the show. About the station. About me.
That was both validating, sobering, and ultimately energizing.
Yes, it lasted almost three times the length of my one required regular weekly meeting. Yes, there were times that I thought I was in a foreign land. And yes, there were moments when my only glimmer of hope was the sunshine coming through the window.
But I have to tell you, I will definitely do it again because it was worth it … just perhaps not every week worth it.
Brian Shactman is a weekly columnist for Barrett News Radio. In addition to writing for BNM, Brian can be heard weekday mornings in Hartford, CT on 1080 WTIC hosting the popular morning program ‘Brian & Company’. During his career, Brian has worked for ESPN, CNBC, MSNBC, and local TV channels in Connecticut and Massachusetts. You can find him on Twitter @bshactman.
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AI is Coming for More Than Just Your Jobs, And the Media Landscape is Changing for the Worse
More important than the loss of more jobs to AI in our industry, we need to take a closer look at the technology’s effect on the media.
Published
20 hours agoon
April 17, 2024While the world is entranced in President Trump’s jury selection in New York, Artificial Intelligence is stealing your look. AI is stealing your voice and most distressing, AI is becoming more human. It has advanced faster than any other technology known to man.
At the NAB Show, Futuri’s ‘groundbreaking’ AI was applauded. They showed how an AI robot was able to conduct two studies on the media industry. Meaning this AI robot has replaced the job of those in research and development. More important than the loss of more jobs to AI in our industry, we need to take a closer look at the technology’s effect on the media, especially the human toll of AI Beauty Pageants and Deep Fake Pornography.
Announced this week, the first Miss AI Beauty Pageant is coming to a computer near you with $20,000 up for grabs. Now I know what you are thinking: “Krystina, this has nothing to do with media.” Oh, but friends, it does.
Miss Universe and Miss USA combined are industries worth several billion dollars. From paid commercials to designer dresses, hair, and makeup, it is a cash cow. Now, Maybelline can cut out paying advertisers and models by going straight to the programmers. Maybe she’s programmed with it. Maybe its Maybelline? It would cut costs significantly.
Additionally, since the Miss AI beauty pageant also judges its contestant on how many followers she has (can we call a robot she?), you have a significantly cheaper influencer because you don’t have to send the product to her (because again she’s AI).
Revenue from the health, wellness, and beauty industries could now be transitioned to big tech. Yeah, sure, a 12-year-old programmer living out of their mother’s basement might make enough to pay for one semester of college this way, but is that really the route we want to go here? Not to mention this will give people a significantly distorted sense of reality and beauty.
This brings us to AI porn, which has affected Taylor Swift, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and 30 female teens at a New Jersey high school. Let me repeat that for those who missed the story this past fall, a high school boy took the photos of 30 classmates and turned them into porn. These girls are 14. Not only will they likely spend the rest of their lives taking down the AI porn made of them, but to quote AOC, “It has real, real effects not just on the people that are victimized by it, but on the people who see it and consume it. And once you’ve seen it, you’ve seen it.”
I’m not a fan of AOC, but she has a point. The comments made by conservatives about AI porn made using her image are nasty (and senseless). This should be a bipartisan issue. AOC is also not the only well-known person this has happened to. Twitter had to block #TaylorSwift because of AI-generated porn photos. While this prompted the United States Congress to draft a civil law that would allow victims to sue the makers of these AI images, it falls just short of criminalizing the behavior.
Yes, Rep. Neil Hays (R-OK) proposed legislation last year that would criminalize the creation of deep fakes but it has stalled in the halls of Congress.
As for those nasty comments made by conservatives about AOC, they don’t realize this could happen to them. It could happen to their spouses and children. It’s not just celebrities. Those photos you’ve posted of your children from the time they were born, can now be accessed by the pedophiles of the world and turned into porn. A report, published yesterday by Forbes, shows there is already an increase of AI-made child sex abuse images across the web. Are you concerned yet? You should be.
The European Union and the United Kingdom are working on legislation to make it a criminal act. While the proposals are designed to aid those affected by AI porn, they lack targeting AI which is made to subvert or skew political messaging. It’s not just the videos you watch it’s also the articles you read.
While AI videos still have a long way to go before they are truly believable, we’ve extensively reported on media outlets replacing their writers with AI. A December 2023 study by Science Direct found people were able to positively identify AI writing samples only 38.9% of the time. There are now recruiters on Linkedin asking writers (like myself) to teach AI how to write. Sounds interesting until you realize AI would replace my career as a writer.
While Black Rock’s Larry Fink believes AI will “boost wages and productivity,” he needs to recognize there is already an abundance of jobs in sectors outside of finance that are being eliminated by AI. Business Insider, CNET, and CNBC have used ChatGPT to write stories. BuzzFeed is using ChatGPT to personalize content, a job once held by a person. Law offices are now using services to Casetext to research case law or Lawgeex to read contracts. Another job once held by a legal assistant, or law school intern.
These are all entry-level jobs that are being eliminated. How are people going to gain experience if AI is replacing the entry-level? So, while I congratulate Futuri on their AI research robot, can we put the brakes on the in-your-face AI capabilities and just keep it in the background? We are clearly not prepared, nor do we understand, the full scope of damage this technology can and is doing. (Does anyone remember Terminator, Robocop, Blade Runner, or Ex Machina? This does not end well for us.)
This is a very serious bipartisan issue that is being swept under the rug. So, while everyone is worried about what media outlets each one of Trump’s jurors watches, you should be more concerned with how the media is reporting (or lack thereof) on AI. It is more than just our jobs at risk, it’s our dignity and livelihood which is already being negatively impacted by the technology.
Krystina Alarcon Carroll is a columnist and features writer for Barrett News Media.She currently freelances at WPIX in New York, and has previously worked on live, streamed, and syndicated TV programs. Her prior employers have included NY1, Fox News Digital, Law & Crime Network, and Newsmax. You can find Krystina on X (formerly twitter) @KrystinaAlaCarr.
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ABC Draws Biggest Solar Eclipse Coverage Audience
ABC News’ Eclipse Across America was also simulcast on the Disney-owned cable networks National Geographic Channel.
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20 hours agoon
April 17, 2024The solar eclipse that captivated our nation on Apr. 8, for better or for worse, was extensively covered by the major networks. They had broadcast from the key areas where complete totality of the moon directly aligning in front of the sun was observed, from Dallas to Indianapolis to Niagara Falls to Vermont.
ABC, with David Muir and Linsey Davis anchoring from Burlington, Vermont, was the most-watched outlet in eclipse coverage among all key figures, according to Nielsen Media Research. From 2-4 PM ET on Apr. 8, ABC delivered 4.448 million total viewers including 920,000 within the key 25-54 demographic as well as 744,000 adults 18-49.
ABC News’ Eclipse Across America was also simulcast on the Disney-owned cable networks National Geographic Channel (271,000 Total Viewers, 76,000 Adults 25-54 and 69,000 Adults 18-49) and Nat Geo Wild (63,000 Total Viewers, 19,000 Adults 25-54 and 17,000 Adults 18-49).
The eclipse coverage helped National Geographic Channel more than doubled its own weekday performances of 2-4 PM ET from Apr. 1-5: Total Viewers +139%, Adults 25-54 +192%, and Adults 18-49 +237%.
CBS, with Norah O’Donnell and Tony Dokoupil anchoring from Indianapolis, was runner-up among total viewers (2.705 million) while NBC (2.406 million total viewers) – with Lester Holt also in Indianapolis, as well as Al Roker in Dallas – was runner-up among key demos (483,000 adults 25-54; 368,000 adults 18-49).
CBS posted 447,000 adults 25-54 and 339,000 adults 18-49.
On cable news, Fox News Channel was the total viewer leader for the solar eclipse and CNN led in all key demos. As indicated in the network breakdown below, CNN attracted the most added raw viewership and demos (nearly quadrupling its 25-54 and 18-49) compared to the aforementioned Monday through Friday 2-4 p.m. period from Apr. 1-5:
Fox News Channel
- Total Viewers: 2.264 million (+829,000; +58%)
- Adults 25-54: 230,000 (+73,000; +47%)
- Adults 18-49: 155,000 (+54,000; +54%)
CNN
- Total Viewers: 1.643 million (+1,046,000; +175%)
- Adults 25-54: 332,000 (+246,000; +286%)
- Adults 18-49: 221,000 (+163,000; +283%)
MSNBC (compared to Apr. 1-5 @ 1-4 p.m.)
- Total Viewers: 0.916 million (+120,000; +15%)
- Adults 25-54: 121,000 (+41,000; +51%)
- Adults 18-49: 81,000 (+31,000; +62%)
Douglas Pucci is a Bronx native and NYU graduate analyzing news television ratings for Barrett News Media. He did an internship at VH1’s “Pop Up Video” in 1997. After college, Pucci went on to design, build and maintain websites for various non-profit organizations in his hometown of New York City. He has worked alongside media industry observer Marc Berman for over a decade reporting on all things television, first at Cross MediaWorks from 2011-15 then at Programming Insider since 2016. Pucci also contributed to the sports website Awful Announcing. Read more: https://programminginsider.com/author/douglas/
Richard Roberts
December 14, 2021 at 9:01 pm
I hate that I’m missing your show but I can’t find it on my radio.
Thomas Naughton
December 15, 2021 at 9:02 pm
I listened to your show early on. Not Rush (but nobody is). I then listened to Dana L. For a few months. She’s good but a bit over the top. I then went back to Clay and Travis for the last little while and am hooked. As good as there is to listen to.
Rot patterson
December 16, 2021 at 9:50 pm
I listen to The Mark Kaye Show..He is also on Newsmax.