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Grace Curley Is Building a New England Media Empire

“The first time I was on the air with Howie, he was talking about how Budweiser was going to do away with Clydesdale horses in their advertising,” Curley explained. “I told him I’d never even tried ‘heavy Budweiser,’ that I was a Bud Light girl.”

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Grace Curley is living proof you can not only meet your childhood hero, you can work for them too. Curley started a job as an assistant to Howie Carr’s wife, Kathy.

“He thought I was his Uber driver,” Curley said.

That’s certainly a conversation starter.

“My first day as Kathy’s assistant I showed up and parked in the driveway of the house,” Curley said. “Howie was waiting for an Uber. When I’d gotten out of the car I walked toward the front door. That’s when Howie told me I could wait in the car, assuming I was his driver.”

Kathy came out of the house and asked Curley why she was waiting in the car. She said Howie assumed she was the Uber driver and Curley didn’t want to cause any ripples on her first day.

“Kathy told me not to get the wrong idea about what I’d be doing,” Curley said. “She told me I’d be busy packaging books, helping out in the garage. When I got home the first day I told my mom what I was doing. She was undaunted and said one day I was going to be on the radio with Howie Carr. My mom is very inspirational and always looked at the best case scenario.”

Curley, who attended Providence College, is well-grounded in New England.

“For a long time we had Tom Brady, so that was definitely a high point for all of us,” Curley said. “The changing of the seasons is glorious. We have Cape Cod in the summer. It’s where I grew up. Both my parents are from South Boston.”

As a theater major at Providence, Curley had once considered a career on the stage, and some friends of her are making a go of it. In the end, Curley just didn’t think the chances of success were that great.

She was a regular in plays in school but didn’t sing much.

“My sister has all the singing talent in the family,” Curley said. “I was a decent singer but better at drama. One of my favorite plays to be part of was These Shining Lives. It’s based on the true story of four women who worked for the Radium Dial Company – a watch factory in Illinois. The play showed how radium affected them throughout the years.” Curley also enjoyed performing in Lend Me A Tenor. “That was a crazy play. Fun to be a part of.”

She doesn’t have much time for theater any longer. “When you’re in that world, you’re in it. It’s hard to dabble. I’ve been away from it for so long. At one point, I thought about being a professional, but I like the idea of having a steady job, a clear goal. What I’m doing now is a wonderful blend of creativity and devotion.”

Curley got her feet wet as a disc jockey on her college station, WDOM.

“We focused on pop culture for two hours. That’s when I first became interested in celebrity news. The Kardashians were pretty big at the time.”

Good things continued to happen for the New England native. The Grace Curley Show airs Monday through Friday 12 pm to 3 pm on nine stations throughout New England. She’s also the executive producer of The Howie Carr Show. She hosts a daily news segment on the program. She knew she and Howie were a good pair from the start.

“The first time I was on the air with Howie, he was talking about how Budweiser was going to do away with Clydesdale horses in their advertising,” Curley explained. “I told him I’d never even tried ‘heavy Budweiser,’ that I was a Bud Light girl. I think that kind of sums up our working relationship. Two generations of talkers and listeners.”

The banter on the air between them is authentic. “We poke fun, but it always comes from a nice place. I think the age dynamic works well. We seek out each other’s opinion.”

Curley was well aware of Carr’s career while she was growing up. “My parents always listened to Howie. I’d always been a huge fan. When I started working for him, I knew I had a good grasp of politics, and I was semi street smart.”

She is a columnist with the Boston Herald. She gives her take on mainstream media and politics. Former editor of the Boston Herald, Tom Shattuck, reached out to Curley at one point.

“He’d seen some of my writing for Howie’s website. He asked me to put something together as a sample,” Curley said. “I loved to write in college and high school. It hasn’t been a crazy jump and it has been a great experience. When I write I’m able to present my thoughts clearly. I’m still perfecting the craft.”

She likes to write about politics and conservative news.

“I’ll often focus on the hypocrisy of the mainstream media. I think a lot of Republican candidates are covered differently by liberal personalities. It’s refreshing to hear someone who isn’t in that tank. People seem to appreciate my approach.”

Curley also writes for The Spectator. She said her editor is a little more centered, and it has been good for her.

“I get to come up with ideas, sharpen my arguments. Make sense out of things. With the Herald, I have free reign to write what I want.”

She said The Spectator requires more due diligence, a lot of fact-checking. “The Herald pieces are a bit more tabloid, but I love both angles.”

Curley spent time producing a podcast titled Dirty Rats. It was focused on the notorious and deadly gangster, Whitey Bulger. At one point, Bulger had put a hit on Howie Carr.

“Howie had such a large part in that world,” Curley said. She explained how true crime podcasts are particularly enjoyable for her. “Howie would write about the Bulgers when nobody else did. He was clearly an enemy of Bulger. The show also brought in a lot of people from Boston, including the victim’s family members.”

Curley said when she listened to podcasts, she appreciated the use of music in telling the story. It added suspense and a fuller story. “I’d find myself listening to a podcast in the car, just riveted. It’s a funny concept to just listen to this strange world. You’d hear a car door slam, feet walking on dried leaves. It immerses you into the story.”

She said people are still streaming the nine episode series.

“I know it’s very appealing, but I can’t say why people gravitate toward true crime,” Curley explained. “It’s a little morbid. I don’t want to generalize, but I think a lot of women particularly enjoy listening.”

As part of her job, Curley has met her fair share of celebrities. During a visit at Mar-a-Lago, she came across then President Trump.

“I asked him if he’d take a photo with me and he said he would,” Curley said. “I couldn’t get the phone to take a picture, I was in a panic. But he was very patient. I’d come close to meeting him a couple of times before, but this was exciting.”

She said Trump is good at remembering people’s names and her husband met him. When Curley asked Trump to take a picture, he was sitting next to a man she didn’t recognize.

“The man was wearing a big jean jacket with a bejeweled lion etched into the fabric. Later when I talked with my dad on the phone, I told him about the Trump photo. In the photo was the guy with the jean jacket and I asked my dad if he knew who it was.”

Her father shot back, ‘That’s Don King!’

“I didn’t know who Don King was, but my dad sure did.”

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A Message to Radio Leaders About Burnout

While you’re focused on the bottom line, pay closer attention to the people on the assembly line, the talented men and women trying to crank out an excellent product.

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Life is show prep. That’s what my Dallas radio co-host Amy Chodroff always said and she was right.

If you do a news or talk radio show you get it, it’s non-stop. You spend every day of your life reading news and considering opinions. You scrutinize reported facts, look for bias, gauge your reaction, and think about how you’ll present it on the air.

This is the only way you can do your job. Your listeners expect you to know more than they do, to inform them, and to offer insights into every situation and with every interview you present on the air.

Life is, in fact, show prep. But if you’re a news or talk radio show host you might have trouble explaining that to some people who don’t understand this because they’ve never tried doing it.

Your bosses, for example.

When I retired recently, this conflict was the tipping point. I had a recent health scare that thankfully turned out to be nothing more than a wake-up call. As long as I could remember, I was getting up at 2:30 AM every day to do a radio news show that aired live from 5 until 9 AM.

By 9:05 AM, I was mentally exhausted, but the boss felt I should put in a full eight hours on the clock, joining the newsroom staff from 9:00 until noon or 1:00 P.M.

More than the extra work itself, dodging that insistence wore me out and took me to retirement. I tried but couldn’t effectively explain that I worked as much at home and wherever else I happened to be as I did when I was in the building.

Life is show prep. And I suppose that can sound like a justification for going home after a four or five-hour shift, but if you’ve never done it, you can’t know the truth.

I got breaking news alerts on my phone while at home with family and in restaurants with friends. I was in daily contact with my co-host and our producer. Text meetings and phone calls between us during weekends were frequent. Show prep doesn’t allow time off between air shifts, even when you’re on vacation.

You may be a sales executive, administration manager, or an engineer thinking, ‘Yeah, I think about work away from the office, too.’ But what you don’t do when you’re in the office is perform to the immediate judgment of thousands of people live, non-stop, four hours per day, five days a week. It’s a never-ending multi-tasking job that requires keeping one eye on the clock, part of your brain focused on the real-time on-air content, while other parts are planning what you must do next and 20 minutes from now and next hour as you’re making notes for future reference.

While all of this is going on, you’re also signaling your co-host, producer, and if you have one your board operator. If you’ve never done all of that there’s no way I can explain that being on the air requires more concentration and energy in four hours than your eight-hour work day does. It just does.

Show prep never ends. Never.

You will read far more versions of various news stories than anyone you know except your on-air partner if you have one. Those stories are rabbit holes and you’ll dive into them, looking for red flags and nuance, double and triple checking your sources because you don’t want to make a fool of yourself. Now more than ever you can trip an information landmine with any single step. Your credibility and career depend on preparing your show carefully but quickly, 24/7.

Now we have this idea that news anchors and talk hosts should have three or four more hours of additional responsibilities after their show ends, as tomorrow’s show prep continues. It’s ignorant and debilitating. Yet, here we are, in the new era of corporate bean counters and the elimination of trained human resources in radio newsrooms filled with empty workstations and only one or two people on duty to answer the phone, gather information, write or rewrite it, record various sources including their own on-air reports while setting up and performing interviews. These under-appreciated magicians often have hourly newscasts to prepare and perform as well.

Radio news staffs are seriously shorthanded. How can a manager improve efficiency? Why, call on people who have just done a four-hour show preceded by an hour or two of in-studio prep and all that work they did at home.

An RTDNA study published a year ago revealed that nearly 70% of news directors reported their staff were overworked and suffering from job burnout.

Ya think?

There is an implied hint of good news in the RTDNA’s most recent look into the problem: Radio news staffing changes are actually increasing slightly. Hey, great! But if you look at the numbers below the headline you’ll be shocked. How do radio news and talk survive?

“The latest RTDNA/Newhouse School at Syracuse University Survey shows the typical (median) radio news operation has a full-time news staff of two for the second year in a row.”


(Disclaimer: Your numbers may vary, depending on market size and how many news and talk hosts are folded into the count when they get off the air.)

There was a time when providing factual news and the exchange of ideas was a lofty yet achievable ideal. It was so exciting we couldn’t wait to get to work.

In those days, air talent was paid their actual value related to radio station earnings. My salary as a morning news host in Sacramento was five times more than I made in Dallas, 40 years later. The pressure to do more eventually burned me out. Now I know people half my age making less than half of my salary when I started in Dallas 12 years ago. Major market news and talk talents are cashing paychecks equal to or less than what their grandpas made as medium market top-40 deejays.

I don’t have any solutions to the money problems that face every news/programming/sales and general manager each day. I will suggest a thought, though:

While you’re focused on the bottom line, pay closer attention to the people on the assembly line, the talented men and women trying to crank out an excellent product. What would your profit and loss statement look like without them?

Sit down with your program and news directors, news writers and reporters, producers, and show hosts. Show them a little love. Ask them what they need and how you might be able to help. They’ll want you to pay them more and hire more people, you know that going in so think about it now. Is that possible?

You’re smart, which is why you’re the manager. I’ll bet you can figure out a way to do it.

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How News/Talk Radio Hosts Can Use Caitlin Clark to Reach Broader Audiences

This is what’s going on in their lives, and you have an opportunity to connect with them.



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Caitlin Clark and Donald Trump have something in common, and I have no idea if it’s their politics. But Caitlin Clark in the 2024 news cycle is Donald Trump circa 2015-16 to the news/talk radio topic selection.

Just like no one had seen anything like Donald Trump in modern American politics, no one has seen anything close to Caitlin Clark in the WNBA.

The WNBA has existed for nearly three decades but has smashed all ratings and attendance records, at least for games involving Clark. Caitlin Clark is bigger than the WNBA, just like Donald Trump when he first burst onto the scene, at least, was bigger than the bubble that was American politics.

The other thing both have in common is that they transcend their respective supposed lanes. Donald Trump was bigger than politics when he entered the political arena in 2015. Caitlin Clark is bigger than women’s basketball. Politics was not the story in 2015; Trump was the story. Now, the WNBA is not the story; Caitlin Clark is the story.

So, if you’re a news/talk radio host and you’re not taking advantage of the Caitlin Clark news cycle, what are you waiting for? As the battle for younger listeners continues in the news/talk space, this is your opportunity; don’t miss it.

Your target, in-demo audience — parents in their late 30s, 40s, and early 50s (think 35-54) — who have daughters between the ages of 8 and 18, are probably talking about Caitlin Clark in their homes, around the dinner table, and when driving them around town to practices and friend’s houses. This is what’s going on in their lives, and you have an opportunity to connect with them.

This doesn’t mean breaking down Caitlin Clark’s box score. I admittedly have no idea how many points she’s averaging per game. But it’s about diving into the cultural issues surrounding Clark in recent weeks. From cheap shots on the court to Olympic Team slights, these topics are opportunities to weave a broad, cultural news topic into a radio format and show that extends beyond the hard news/politics/nuts and bolts news stories.

Undoubtedly, those are important, but they remain a lane that isn’t necessarily growing, especially in the coveted 25-54 demographic.

And with a news/talk host’s ability to understand the current cultural and political climate likely better than your competitor on the sports talk station, you have a topic and angle unique to your town and potential listening audience.

In the last two weeks, the most calls we’ve received on a single segment came during a topic on Caitlin Clark being shoved by Chennedy Carter, which went viral two weekends ago. Men, women, young, and old all wanted to chime in and had an opinion. And it came on a Monday morning when most of us in the chair can attest that the phones are usually slower than later in the week. You had sports mixed with culture and race bubbling into one topic that can be seized compellingly by a news/talk radio show.

Caller reaction cannot be the main driver of what makes good radio or a compelling topic, but it can be anecdotal, in that moment, for what the audience is willing to and wants to react to.

So, while I can’t tell you who Caitlin Clark’s team, the Indiana Fever, will play tonight, tomorrow, or the night after (or even if they play), I can tell you I’ll be following for any viral moments that might play in the news/talk space.

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The Case for News Media Outlets to Utilize Paywalls

Why are we giving our work for free?



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As local newspapers across the country shutter Americans are craving local news, but not in the traditional sense. A new Pew Institute Research study found a large majority of Americans believe local news outlets are at least somewhat important to the well-being of their community.

Yet, only 15% say they have paid or given money to any local news source in the last year.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. Except, in this case, there is no such thing as free news. People are in need of, and crave, local journalists’ hard work but are unwilling to pay for it. This is unsustainable.

Pew found 32% of those polled are looking to TV for local news, which is still the most common source of news. However, this is down from 41% in 2018. Just 9% look to print and another 9% look to radio for news. It’s no surprise to anyone Americans are looking to get local news online from websites (26%) and social media (23%).

While the transition from print to digital is relatively easy from a strictly content standpoint, having people pay is borderline impossible. The most common explanation is that people don’t pay because they can find plenty of free local news. The answer for our industry to survive is simple: paywalls.

Even with a Borrell Associates prediction of local broadcast TV advertisements growing 5.9% it won’t last. The agency noted the 2024 bump will fall after the election. We can not rely on every election cycle to survive.

In 20 years, TV won’t be able to subsidize digital (in some markets they are already unable to do this). In fact, this business model needs to be flipped around before local TV and radio stations shutter like newspapers have.

As I said in a previous article, it is unethical to have social media companies pay news outlets for content (like the legislation in Australia and Canada pushed through). But the money has to come from somewhere.

Why are we giving our work for free? A dollar per click on digital advertising is only sustainable (and offers a livable wage) when it comes to clickbait. However, the mind-numbing click farm is not why most of us do what we do.

Journalists are supposed to provide information, stand up for the truth, and have some sort of moral integrity. This does not mean we and our colleagues need to live on barely minimum wage. (Full disclosure, moral integrity does not mean “activist journalism,” which is bad and not actually journalism. I mean have the integrity to keep yourself and your view out of the story.)

Suits, this is where I turn to you. In 2022, local TV over-the-air advertising revenue totaled $20.5 billion according to a Pew study. The same study said profits from digital advertising revenue reached $2 billion. So where does this money go? It’s certainly not in the newsroom.

On average starting salaries are $37,600, according to The Radio Television Digital News Association (RTDNA). They calculate since 2020 those who work in news on average lost 8.3% in real wages. However, the amount of airtime for local outlets increased by 18 minutes per weekday. Meaning more work, less pay, and even less time to enjoy that breaking news pizza.

People are now making more at fast food restaurants in California than your newsroom associate with a bachelor’s degree. This is not normal. Invest in your people.

Journalists have so much more to offer the community yet they are not being paid. The companies they work for are not making as much as they could because everyone is afraid to put up a paywall.

If all local news outlets unanimously ask their readers to pay (like we used to before the dot com boom when everyone had to buy a paper) people would pay. They need us to be properly informed. While we are fully aware of our industry’s credit crunch, those outside of our world are blissfully unaware of our precarious situation.

Most importantly, local news outlets are facing a news dotcom problem, ‘Dark Money.’ Axios reported this week the number of biased outlets, that say they are impartial, is more than the number of actual local daily newspapers in the U.S.

Not only are we not being paid for the value of our work, we are competing with people who have bad intentions, unlimited money, and unlimited bandwidth. True news might be dead at the national level but we can not let this happen to local news.

There is no such thing as free news. So why does the industry as a whole treat our valuable content in this way?

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