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David Van Camp Is Always Giving Listeners the Human Angle

While talking with BNM’s Jim Cryns, David Van Camp noted that the trio on the show is always on the lookout for things that might be relevant.

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I told David Van Camp he has one of the coolest jobs in the world.

“On some days, you can have it,” Van Camp quipped.

Van Camp is the youngest member of Markley, Van Camp & Robbins, a daily news talk show that can be heard in 125 markets nationwide. 

Van Camp is from Texas, and he supposedly loves Star Wars. “I play that up on the show. I liked the original trilogy of the franchise, but I’m not a complete Star Wars dork.”

His website says he’s a guitarist, a singer-songwriter, and a foodie. It also relates how a ‘real man’ rarely eats his steaks rare. He still technically owns but no longer plays a beautiful Gibson SG.

“Actually, it’s broken,” Van Camp said. “I’ve got a toddler, a one-year-old. 

Some things don’t survive if you don’t put them away somewhere safe.”

He got the guitar when he was 16, saving up money from tree trimming and lawn maintenance to spend close to 1,000 bucks on the guitar. 

“I guess I’ve always been a Gibson guy,” Van Camp said. “I thought the frets were a little larger than Fender necks. Have you ever seen Stanley Clark play the bass?” Van Camp asked. “I saw him at a jazz festival 15 years ago. His hands are huge, and he could palm a beach ball. He even does bar chords on the bass, so fast.”

He said Jamie Markley and Scott Robbins go back a lot of years together, with a show in Peoria, Illinois, on WMDB. Then, they got the chance to be live in Portland on a simulcast with KXL and WMDB.

That’s when the show took a terrifying turn. Scott Robbins had a heart attack. Van Camp was programming WMDB at the time and doing some producing for their show. 

“After Scott’s heart attack, we started looking for replacements,” Van Camp said. “I had no desire to be on the air. But it was hard to find someone that would come to the studio in the middle of the day to work a few hours.”

After about a week of Robbins being in the hospital, Van Camp knew they had to get the show back on the air. 

“Thankfully, Jamie came back,” Van Camp said. “I was a stopgap host, only to keep the seat warm until we could find a suitable host. Jamie and I clicked on the air, but Scott was in the hospital for a few months. His body was wrecked. He had a trachea tube in his throat. Not a good thing to have. His not returning to radio was the least of his problems.”

Van Camp explained Robbins’ kidneys were failing, and he was on dialysis. It didn’t look good. Van Camp was named as permanent co-host, and the station rolled with that. After a few months, Scott’s condition started to improve. 

“He got to the point where he could come in and do one segment a week to see if he could still do it,” Van Camp said. “He had some memory loss issues and his body still looked like he’d been hit by a bus. We wanted to ease him back in, perhaps use him as a fill-in when one of us was out.”

Did Van Camp think Robbins would make it back to the show? Early on, Van Camp thought he would. But when 2016 rolled in and he was in a wheelchair, barely able to walk, Van Camp didn’t think it would be possible.

Then things took a turn for the better. It wasn’t long before Robbins started coming in for a daily segment. In 2019, they worked out where he could return full-time. It seemed like yesterday he had been hallucinating in the hospital. Alpha Media figured if Scott could come back, bring him back.

“Nobody knew what was going to happen,” Van Camp said. “I didn’t know if I wanted to do it, and we were weighing options. From what his doctors and family were telling us, he’d never be able to come back. But he references it now and makes jokes about it.”

“I think the three of us clicked early on because we knew each other as friends. Jamie and I did a good show together, but it was missing that spark Scott could bring. We needed that spark. When Scott gets mad and takes to pounding on the desk, nobody is funnier.” 

Van Camp points out you don’t want to go over the top with that kind of thing, but Robbins knows just how far to push it. 

“He’s that good. The perfect bit of spice. He’s the Boomer. Jamie is the Gen X, and I’m the Millennial. Politically, we are fairly closely aligned. This is conservative talk, and we generally have conservative opinions. We disagree on some stories. But we’re not super-heavy politically. I think that’s the secret sauce of the show. You’ll never feel awful when you listen to us. You can feel better after listening. You can think, ‘Everything is going to be okay.’ A lot of why we’ve been successful is the humor we can throw out there.”

Van Camp said the show’s best segments come from the spontaneous, extemporaneous. They don’t script or format their show where each one says a line at a particular point.

“We just pal around a lot of the time. Sometimes you can really lean into a topic. We’re not trying to spark outrage. It’s more like we’re out to tickle their funny bone. We hear it all the time. A caller will say you were talking about You were talking about x, y, z, then Scott says something that doesn’t make any sense. You just get the feeling that it’s three guys who are friends giving each other a hard time.”

Off the air, they’re probably not the guy you think they are. Van Camp said Scott Robbins is probably the most gentle of the three. Jamie Markley is the hardass. Van Camp puts himself in the middle.

“We started to get a rhythm down,” Van Camp said. “There was a moment when Scott said something that has become rather legendary in our show. Jamie sprung a top 10 bucket list. Jamie asked Scott, ‘What’s at the top of your bucket list.’”

Robbins said hugging a dolphin was on his bucket list.

“I was floored,” Van Camp said. “We played around with that. It became this bit. We save all our audio, and that was one of the clips we’ve played tons of times. ‘Hug a dolphin.’ Scott was serious. I think that’s when we knew we were really going to work and brought Scott back full-time. He can say something, and we can make fun of him.” 

Van Camp moved down to San Antonio in 2019. They keep eye contact on Skype during the show, something he says is critical.

“Scott and Jamie came down for a market visit with the dolphin thing at SeaWorld in San Antonio,” Van Camp said. “I took him to hug a dolphin.”

“We aren’t just co-workers who got matched up. We were friends. That’s what makes this whole thing unique.”

The trio is always looking for ways to make the show better, always on the lookout for things that might be relevant. 

“We’ve got to try to transcend our own personal experiences,” Van Camp explained. “We take callers for two segments a week. Friday Five is a music-based countdown. We’ll take Labor Day and play songs with work or a job in the title. On a news talk, our phone lines are jammed. That’s a place where you can really see the generation gap. Where the three of us are really highlighted. One of us will always bite on the lure.”

The show doesn’t conduct interviews with guests. Van Camp said if you’re a solitary host, you’re having a conversation with someone who listens to your show when a listener calls. 

“I understand you have to do that when you’re a one-man band. We don’t have to. We will work off someone else’s audio. We did a couple of interviews a few years ago, but they didn’t work. You’ve already got three guys with options, and we didn’t want a fourth. That can destroy any rhythm you’ve got working.”

MVR is not a morning zoo. Van Camp said they deal with serious topics like the Uvalde shooting. 

“Sometimes the news isn’t fun and we’re not going to try to make it fun. It’s all about how we approach the subject. Give the facts. Here’s what we know. For me, you’re always looking for the human angle. Everybody is going to give the building blocks. For me, it’s asking about why some of the parents are handcuffed when all they want to do is rush in to save their child. I’ve had that conversation with friends. Jamie had that conversation with his wife. We’d ask what we would do in that situation. Once you get the news out, you can deal with the way people are processing, grieving. We’re all human.” 

Van Camp said after a few days; you’ve got all the time in the world to talk about the police response and that stuff. He said radio is more intimate than television. 

“We have real conversations that people have every day. They can listen to us talk and realize they’re not crazy. We don’t want to manufacture bits. Audiences aren’t dumb; they can smell that from a mile away.”

Van Camp estimates MVR can be heard in about 125 markets.

“I’m just really grateful that so many people like to listen to what we have to say. I never think of myself as anything special in that. We get to hear from people all over the country, and I love that connection.” 

One of Van Camp’s favorite comments came from a female listener in the Pacific Northwest. She is kind of a hate-listener. 

“She’d email me once every other week telling me what idiots we are. Then she sent an email that made my day. She wrote, ‘You know, I completely disagree with you, but you still make me laugh. You remind me of my idiot brother.’” 

Technically, that would be three idiot brothers.

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3 Tips on How to Get Station and Market Research Without the Whopping Budgets

Many of us have not seen research in a while. I am going to give you some poor man tips for getting the pulse of your community. 

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No research budget? No problem! Ok, many of us have not seen research in a while. I am going to give you some poor man tips for getting the pulse of your community. 

These are tried and true methods that I have been using my entire programming career.  Disclaimer: getting great unbiased research is a tremendous tool to strengthen your station or show. I have learned a few tricks that may help you assess your community and audience. 

Use Your Station’s Database for a Small Survey

Usually, you must hold the carrot of winning a couple of hundred bucks for a participant.  There are many advantages to this method. You are likely to have P1s who love your product and have a commitment to the station. Talk about cool! 

Building the questions is the tough part. You don’t want to ask leading questions that mirror your thoughts or the attitudes of the audience. I like open-ended questions. I would also like to know about the participants’ demographics. 

For whatever reason, my station’s database is different than the actual listeners to a news/talk station. You may find your database like mine: 70% women. Of those women, a large portion are in their 20s and 30s. Sadly, this is not your audience. You will need to willow them out as you compile the information. 

The questions need to be about the audience, not about your station.

-What are your people doing for fun?
-Do they like to travel?
-How long is their commute?
-Do they have kids?
-Are they married?
-Are they happy with their school district? 
-What is their biggest concern? 

People love to talk about themselves. Let them do it and then sprinkle in questions about the station. 

-Are there enough traffic reports?
-Have you ever called a show?
-How was your interaction with the host or producer?
-What is your favorite restaurant?
-How much time do you watch sports each week? 

You certainly can add many questions like this.  Knowing your audience allows you to reflect on their lives, concerns, and interests. 

Be A Spy

I love doing this one at lunch. Pull into a restaurant that appeals to businesspeople in your area. Get a table near a large group and start writing down the conversation.

Are they griping about the boss? What are their concerns? Do they tease each other? How much do they speak about their significant other? Are they discussing something they read, heard, or watched? 

Just write down their conversations. I have taken this information and crafted promos and liners around it. It is a small sample size, but if the group is in your target for the station, you can learn a lot of good stuff. This just costs the price of lunch and a beverage. DIY at its finest. 

Quick On-the-Street Surveys 

This is another way to get a pulse on the community. Does your town have an event geared to the community? Go out with a producer, a salesperson, and give three quick questions. You need to guess the age of the participant. Ask for their ZIP code. this is to determine whether they live in your area. 

Then three quick questions. I like to use multiple choice. 
-How frustrating is the traffic?  1 to 5 with 5 meaning very agonizing.
-Your biggest concern: Crime, Taxes, Money, or family? 
-How long have you lived in your home?  These are quick questions to give you a pulse on your neighbors’ concerns. 

None of these are as good as a solid perceptual. I have read a lot of research, and the conclusions are the biggest concern. Years ago, I worked for a company that did several perceptuals. I was asked to read them by my format captain, who was new on the job. I read them carefully over the weekend and typed up a short report. The conclusions were completely different than the data. 

I am sure that if you have the opportunity to do a research project on your station, you will want to know the unvarnished truth. If you are in the enviable position of interviewing the companies that do research, you need to know the following things:
-Are the conclusions what I want to read or need to see?
-How is the best way to assess the data provided?
-Will the data allow me to develop an action plan to grow my ratings? 

If you want research to confirm your preconceived thoughts, skip the expense. If you want to maximize your return, learn how to critically read the data. 

What is your action plan following the study? There should be a clear path to allow you to identify vulnerabilities, opportunities, and strengths. All of these are equally important. 

Once you know your vulnerabilities, you can strategize to shore up your weaknesses. Once you know your opportunities, you can address them and create another path for your brand to succeed. Knowing and perhaps confirming your strengths allows you to use these as a base point for your brand’s continuing success. 

Don’t mess up good research. These are wonderful windows on your station and community.  They are key to helping you create a listener-focused experience that will support your station for years to come. 

Don’t be frightened to have some of your personal conclusions destroyed. Is this about your ego or is it about your team, station, and market? 

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How News Radio and Television Can Exist and Excel By Working Together on the Local Level

A real TV/Radio cooperative could actually dominate by informing and educating and actually thinking of their audience and the job they are supposed to be doing.

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I was a kid in the 1970s. More importantly, I was a Mets fan and I enjoyed listening to the games on the radio far more than I did watching them on TV. Even so, I embraced both mediums of coverage for one major reason.

Okay, actually it was three major reasons:

Their names were Bob Murphy, Lindsey Nelson, and Ralph Kiner and these three handled the broadcast duties for both radio and TV during every game.

It was continuity and familiarity in their finest forms. One could watch the first three innings of the game on TV with Nelson calling the play-by-play and Kiner providing the color. Back then, Kiner wasn’t known quite so well for his combination of Phil Rizzuto/Yogi Berra-like utterances that came later with age.

By inning four you could hop into the car with Mom (Dad was a Yankee fan) and the kids and catch the next three innings on the radio with Lindsey Nelson still calling the plays. Meanwhile, Bob Murphy would handle the TV side with Ralph and nobody missed a beat.

One very familiar broadcast team handling all of the broadcast duties. Talk about cornering the market in exposure.

Of course, now we have entirely different TV teams and radio teams to do the jobs that three people once did. Naturally, we need more to cover digital and social media but the voices, are still only going to two platforms.

Of course, this all follows the same concept of every sports team now getting their own stadium. Frankly, you haven’t lived in my opinion unless you went to a Yankees and Giants game in the fall during the 70’s to see the yardage lines and infield markings, same for the Mets and the Jets at Shea Stadium.

Long story but it brings about the point.

News outlets all over are generally hemorrhaging financially and because they lose money, they often lose audience members, and well, they lose the interest of those they’re trying to inform and entertain.

To try and combat this, the platforms go big when and where they can. Local and network, they all try it. Whether it’s planning the next remote location, embedding the reporter and photographer team where nobody expected them to go, or securing the “exclusive” with whoever before the next station claims their own “exclusive” with the very same newsmaker the very next day.

Somewhere, there is somebody trying to dominate the daypart or the market and they’re constantly coming up with “new” concepts in order to achieve this.

Now we know that CBS, ABC, and FOX all have network news operations for the eye and the ear and I do on occasion hear something called NBC News Radio, but honestly one must do some digging to find it on the airwaves.

Nevertheless, there is a mutual effort and collaboration between network TV and radio, largely through radio’s use of edited TV packages. Depending on who you listen to, it often comes off during a newscast as fragmented, dissociative, and largely incomplete reporting. Bad scripts, bad editing and less-than-stellar cooperation between TV and radio is often readily apparent. It gets even worse when that content hits the local stations.

Yes, I know they’re trying and doing the best they can with what they have to work with but it’s more than that.

If you look at the local side of things there is generally even less mutual engagement. Only in the largest markets can local news radio benefit from local TV coverage and again it’s in the form of edited content, chopped and incomplete with less-than-stellar writing around the audio.

But, what if that wasn’t the case?

I mean universally, across networks and local markets, Venti, Grande, and Tall.

These broadcast outlets are truly looking at the challenges they face, realizing their gaps and deficiencies, and looking across town or across the street for answers.

Why not take your mutual staff and truly build (or rebuild) your weak and fledgling news operations into strong and fledgling enterprises? That means working together. No, really working together.

Radio news can help build formidable TV news content and TV news coverage can really become good radio. And no, not by stripping audio or just taking a few cell images for the website.

I am almost positive that when the networks downsized in the late 90s and early 2000s, they were able to stay competitive by training multi-platform correspondents to file for every outlet. A lot of bureaus in the U.S. and around the globe closed directly following that implementation.

When KOMO NewsRadio joined KOMO TV in 2002, they dropped an air studio, edit bays, and reporter desks right in the middle of the TV newsroom.

We weren’t popular at first. (We used to say we knew exactly how Marcia felt after Carol and Mike gave the attic bedroom to Greg.) But the animosity didn’t last.

Reporters and Anchors like being on TV, they like being on radio, and the great majority of them like telling good stories. It worked, at least it appeared to create a positive effect.

Reporters told their stories, Anchors promoted their shows and special coverage got lots of hype, on radio and TV. We didn’t win the ratings wars but we certainly advanced

So, what happened to that idea of joining forces and telling those good stories on more than one platform?

It is hard for me to understand how Sinclair let radio go in Seattle and allowed what I wrote about last week to happen. There was a great opportunity there, lost.

I’m not talking about unmercifully chopping up a TV reporter package to throw on the radio. I’ve talked about that before. CBS will dissect content for it’s affiliates until it is unrecognizable on the air. I find ABC and Fox do slightly better jobs for their radio family.

But hey, local markets. So many of you have radio and TV stations with the same call letters, even if you’re not mutually owned. Sure, more than a few of you will trade off weather content for sponsorship or a station mention but what about the rest of what you do?

If management truly understood their products, they would find ways to complement each other’s operations, and do each other more than just the occasional favor.

A real TV/Radio cooperative could actually dominate by informing and educating and actually thinking of their audience and the job they are supposed to be doing.

There is so much talent out there and so much is regularly lost not only to the fragility of the industry itself but also the lack of ownership and effort.

Hearing a reporter’s voice tell a story while I’m driving in the morning, having that same reporter tease their continuing TV coverage for the evening, and watching them at 6 PM creates and sustains the kind of brand loyalty and sense of reliability I think audiences still strive for.

And yes, I know everyone works very hard but really, a TV reporter crafting a radio script or radio writing the web story or a dozen other mutual efforts that can enhance community standing and popularity. It will never be job security, only an extension of what’s likely inevitable.

Honestly, we have to do something.

Bob, Lindsey, and Ralph are gone so somebody else has got to pick up the baton.

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Kristina Koppeser Knows the Importance of Pushing News Radio to the Digital World

“People look to you for information, and they will get it wherever they can find you. Being in those spaces is important.”

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Professionals like Kristina Koppeser play a key role in leading traditional media outlets into the digital age in today’s rapidly changing media and journalism industry. With a unique background that includes working at Twitter, now known as X, Koppeser brings a fresh perspective to her job as Brand Manager at KYW Newsradio. 

Koppeser is passionate about the future of the journalism business, and she talked about KYW Newsradio’s Newstudies program, which has been running for over 60 years. The program allows local and regional high school students to gain hands-on experience at the station.

Kristina Koppeser stressed the importance of adapting to the multimedia landscape, recognizing that aspiring journalists need to have a versatile skill set in the age of social media and constant connectivity.

Having previously worked at a tech company, Koppeser understands the significance of branding in journalism. She emphasizes that journalists, like on-air personalities, must establish a solid online presence and recognize that audiences seek information across various platforms. This viewpoint aligns with her belief that being present on platforms like Instagram Reels and staying on top of breaking news is essential in today’s media landscape.

Reflecting on her journey as a young brand manager at a heritage station like KYW Newsradio, Kristina Koppeser acknowledges the challenge of learning the intricacies of radio after a background in tech, digital news, and television. However, she sees this as an opportunity to blend forward-thinking, pioneering knowledge with the institution’s wisdom, ensuring a holistic approach to managing the brand.

Koppeser’s leadership philosophy is based on trust and learning. She values trusting her team to excel in their roles while actively seeking knowledge in areas where she may be less experienced. Her openness to learning from the experienced team at KYW Newsradio reflects her commitment to continuous growth and improvement.

Regarding the potential use of artificial intelligence (AI) in reporting or writing, Kristina Koppeser views AI as an intriguing efficiency tool. While acknowledging the need for caution and thorough vetting, she sees AI’s potential to save time in tasks like event coverage, provided it is used with proper parameters and awareness of its strengths and weaknesses.

The interview also discussed the dynamics of KYW Newsradio within Audacy’s larger corporate structure. Koppeser expressed her desire for the corporate office to recognize and appreciate the station’s excellence, emphasizing the benefit of being in the same city as Audacy’s corporate offices.

Ryan Hedrick: What is KYW Newsradio doing to attract young journalists to the industry?

Kristina Koppeser: I am very passionate about the future of the business and getting young minds interested in broadcast media. We are just wrapping up our Newstudies program. We’ve been doing this program for over 60 years, with local and regional high school students, sophomores, juniors, and seniors interested in broadcast. They come into the station and use our recording equipment if they want to. They learn from our award-winning journalists who are instructors and volunteer their time to do this. These students write and record a piece for air that airs on KYW Newsradio throughout November and December.

RH: What excites you as a brand manager about the positive trends you see from young, aspiring journalists?

KK: I see many people interested in multimedia production, which is smart because it’s 2023, and everybody has a device that they look at hundreds of times a day. Young people are coming out of college knowing full well that you can’t just be one thing. You have to learn how to create a presence on whatever the app of the month is.

When you are trying to become a journalist in this multimedia landscape, they are conscious of your Instagram Reels and broadcast content and making sure that they are on top of breaking news.

I used to work at Twitter, now called X, and working at a platform, I see that branding is important for everyone, not just on-air personalities but journalists. People look to you for information, and they will get it wherever they can find you. Being in those spaces is important.

RH: What challenges have you faced as a young brand manager rising through the ranks of a heritage station like KYW Newsradio?

KK: I have only been here for two years, so one of the challenges was learning the space. I came up through tech, digital news, and then television, so I worked at Hearst Television for five years. Before this, one of the biggest challenges was learning radio because that was the one thing I had not had experience with on a professional level, but I also think that that’s a benefit.

Our Assistant Brand Manager, Tom Rickert, has been here for a long time and has all the institutional knowledge. I can think more about the big picture and toward the future and lean on him when I don’t know something or want to learn how the board works. I have learned a lot in the last two years, especially the last year since I was promoted. And I am learning the broadcast side, taking my forward-thinking, pioneering knowledge, and marrying those two things.

RH: As the Brand Manager at KYW Newsradio, what is the most important thing you’ve learned?

KK: To trust people to do the job that they know how to do well. That’s important. We have an amazing group here. They are so smart and dedicated. One of my biggest superpowers is knowing what I don’t know, so when I don’t know something, I want to learn it actively, seek it out, and understand. I have 60 people in the newsroom that I can go to and find an expert.

RH: As a radio station, are you open to using Artificial Intelligence (AI) for reporting or writing?

KK: AI is a really interesting efficiency tool. It can cut corners in a way. I have played around with it myself, both personally and professionally. One interesting thing about it is that it will do the searching for you, and of course, with anything unvetted, like AI, you have to be careful. You have to treat it like you would with any source, fact-check it, and do all of those things. It saves time is one of the biggest places I find useful.

If you’re looking at doing things like events coverage, you can ask it to spit out a list, and of course, you will have to check that list, but it’s doing some of that work for you. Whether or not I give it an OK, like anything else, I would put parameters on it and ensure everybody knew its strengths, weaknesses, and the best way to use it. The jury is still out. I would have to do more investigative work to ensure I am comfortable with it, but it could be a helpful tool.

RH: Do Audacy’s corporate offices in the same city as KYW Newsradio make executives pay closer attention to the radio station?

KK: I don’t know about that. I want our corporate office to have us on in the morning when they are driving into the office as I am. It is also a benefit. When I was at Hearst, we had 26 stations there, and if one were in New York I would have felt very lucky. I want to be recognized, and I want our station to be recognized for its excellence.

RH: Where do you look to for inspiration outside of your building? 

KK: I look to digital audiences. I look to friends and family. Because I come from a curation background, I am always thinking about whether this makes sense to everyone. At the end of the day, we as journalists, our job is to inform and educate, and I want to make sure we are doing that on any given day. I do look to people and I also look to other stations because I think of some of the work that other Audacy stations do. I lean on my colleagues. And I look to some of the other brand managers, like at WINS and KRLD. 

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